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Dobson's Odd Definition of "Christian"

I Was Hopeful for a Second, But Alas

I am not quite sure what exactly troubles James Dobson about Fred Thompson's profession of faith. Apparently it is Fred's lack of openly being a "person of faith." That is, he doesn't talk about a generic "faith".

I had hoped on first blush that Jimbo was troubled by the doctrines of Fred's chosen denomination (Church of Christ), but alas, doctrinal distinctions are just too complicated for Dobson. He'd prefer you just talk about a generic faith in Christ no matter where you choose to affiliate. Even though affiliation doesn't tell us everything, it does give us a clue about some basic beliefs.

If I believe in the eternal deity of Christ, I wouldn't affiliate with the Mormons, for example.


From the US News article:

Mark Corallo, a spokesman for Thompson, took issue with Dobson's characterization of the former Tennessee senator. "Thompson is indeed a Christian," he said. "He was baptized into the Church of Christ."

The first sign of trouble is when someone doesn't run to Christ and the cross bur rather he runs to some "affiliation." As noted, Christianity is not defined by your affiliation, however, where you choose to affiliate does tell us about what doesn't bother you.

Confused? OK, let me give you an example. If I am asked if I love my wife and I answer by saying that I pay the utility bills, does that answer the question? Well, it gives evidence that I may love my wife, but it hardly answers the question. Similarly, if you ask me if I am Pro-Life and I say that I am a Pro-Life member of NARAL, you might be puzzled.

Of course, analogies are given in the extreme to make a point.


More from the US News article:

"Dobson didn't believe Thompson to be a member of a non-Christian faith..."

"[Dobson] has never known Thompson to be a committed Christian—someone who talks openly about his faith."


In other words, Dobson doesn't understand what Evangelical Christianity teaches. The Church of Christ teaches the necessity of baptism in salvation and Christianity is not defined by generically talking about "faith." If Thompson's church is aligned with that doctrine, there should be greater concerns about his faith than his failure to tattoo the word "faith" on his forehead.

From an Evangelical viewpoint, if someone doesn't respond to a question about his faith with a statement of faith in the finished work of Christ, that person's profession is suspect. Similarly, if one responds by stating that he is a member of a church that doesn't believe in the cross alone for justification (i.e. The Church of Christ) his "Evangelical" faith would be extremely suspect.

Unfortunately, Dobson doesn't understand either of those simple distinctions. After all, this is a man who fawned all over a Pope who belongs to an organization that currently condemns the Evangelical faith with scores of anathemas and a man who was concerned that Terry Schiavo's priest couldn't administer the "Eucharist" to her.

Dobson is not only willfully ignorant of Christianity, his ignorance is his primary defense. As mentioned in a previous blog entry, Jim uses the "I'm not a Bible teacher" plenary indulgence card when it comes to his failure to defend the faith. But this self-appointed "Christian leader" has created his own definition of Christianity and asks politicians to bow before it.

Just when you think maybe, just maybe, Dobson has figured out what the Evangelical "faith" truly entails, he disappoints again.

Well, Jim, you don't meet my criteria for an "Evangelical Christian."

As I've noted before, one doesn't have to be an Evangelical Christian to get my vote, but if we're talking about the Evangelical faith on any level, let's at least define it correctly.

You're an embarassment, Jim, and you speak only for yourself. As others have said, I'd rather have a staunch Constitutional originalist who is not hostile to the faith than someone who plays the "faith" card (read: Mitt Romney), but has no core values (read: Mitt Romney).


UPDATE: Hotair comments on the latest... it doesn't change anything for me.

UPDATE II : Paul Chesser covers a similar trend dealing with the word "Evangelical" in the Washington Examiner. A good read, but oddly (and incorrectly) he states that the word "never made distinctions on theological grounds...."  Of course it did. As even Princeton notes on its web site, Evangelicalism is related to " believing in personal conversion and the inerrancy of the Bible..." The term historically is connected to fundamentalism. It is men like Rick warren and Jim Dobson who have watered down the distinctives.
 
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Dornan Threatens Pelosi's Eternal Fate

 Farther Down a Dangerous Road We Go

This story keeps on taking new twists.

Bob Dornan (the same guy that told us 20 years ago what a
great conservative George H. W. Bush was) is now using sectarian threats against Nancy Pelosi. Remember, in Catholic theology being excommunicated or even restricted from communion has eternal consequences.

When politicians and judges have their
eternal fates threatened for Constitutional decisions, the Republic faces a true crisis.

I am staunchly Pro-Life and have always been so, but I believe that government should govern by the consent of the governed. I am therefore opposed to Roe (the ruling legalizing abortion in all states) on the grounds that it imposes the opinion of judges on the governed without Constitutional grounds for doing so.
 
We must rule by the consent of the governed, not at the behest of the priest.

Threatening politicians and judges with terms such as "full cooperation with evil" by men is one thing, but when the charge is leveled by an organization which claims not only that it is the only vehicle of salvation on earth ("outside of which there is no salvation") but also that it is superior to civil government (Unam Sanctam, Syllabus of Errors, etc.) the threat endangers the freedoms we all cherish as Americans.

The Catholic Church is a worldwide
leftist organization. From "Global Warming" to debt relief to Israel/Palestinian conflicts to immigration issues to government spending to border issues, the Catholic Church has been a force aligned with the left (often the far left). She may take whatever positions she wishes, but her threats against U.S. judges and elected officials should never be tolerated.

Why any Constitutional orginalist (or Evangelical Christian) would laud these threats is beyond me. The Catholic Church cares not for the Constitution, she cares about her power.
 
Our government must stay independent of sectarian overlords.

The cheering won't be as loud when they start threatening the eternal fates of judges and elected officials on other issues. The Founder's warned us about this threat to freedom. If anyone should understand this, it should be conservative Constitutional originalists.
 
"Do you know that The General of the Jesuits and consequently all his Hosts have their Eyes on this Country?" (John Adams - Letter to Thomas Jefferson, 18 May 1817)
 
"Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?" (John Adams - Letter to Thomas Jefferson, May 19, 1821)

"Nor can We predict happier times for religion and government from the plans of those who desire vehemently to separate the Church from the state, and to break the mutual concord between temporal authority and the priesthood. It is certain that that concord which always was favorable and beneficial for the sacred and the civil order is feared by the shameless lovers of liberty." (Pope Gregory XVI - Marari Vos, 1832)

This followed Gregory's gushing over the Church's glorious history of burning "heretical" books.
 
Michael Scotto (bleechers)... "Shameless lover of liberty."
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The Pope's Coming: I Warned You

 John Adams warned us this might come 240 years ago. 

The nuance will come. The cries of "bigot!" and "ignorance!" will come (the tactics of the Left). But John Adams knew of the dangers inherent in a system that claims power over civil governments (Unam Sanctam) and claims the authority to threaten souls with eternal condemnation.

"Catholic politicians and legislators, conscious of their grave responsibility before society, must feel particularly bound, on the basis of a properly formed conscience, to introduce laws inspired by values grounded in human nature,... respect for human life, its defense from conception to natural death, the family built on marriage between a man and a woman, the freedom to educate one’s children and the promotion of the common good in all its forms.” - Pope Benedict XVI

Benedict is not threatening them for their individual beliefs or practices, rather he is threatening them for political (Constitutional) positions they may take. It is one thing to teach the individual that adultery is a "grave [mortal] sin" but quite another to command politicians and judges (with threats of eternal punishment) to ignore civil law and rule (or vote) that adultery should be made illegal. Substitute whatever issues you'd like into that equation. This is the danger presented by the historic and official decrees from Rome.

Governments should govern at the consent of the governed not at the behest of the priest. It should be Constitutional orginalism that guides our judges and politicians not Canon Law.

I have warned of this danger for years (most recently: here ).

Everybody on the right is happy when the Pope threatens Democrats and Catholics with separation from the Eucharist (a means of sanctificaton in their system) and with the label "formal cooperation with evil" when they don't toe the line on the issues of abortion, euthanasia and gay marriage, but what happens if and when he comes after Rightist judges and politicians on other issues (e.g. the death penalty)?
Five of the current nine members of the U.S. Supreme Court are Catholic.

The Catholic Church makes claims over civil governments that no other church makes (i.e. the civil authority wields the sword at the whim of the priest). It has made it clear that the US and the "American Church" are no different than any other part of the Church or the Catholics in any other nation. These doctrines, by decree, cannot be "reinterpreted" over time (Leo XIII).

The Popes agree with me here. Catholics must bow will and intellect to their Pope and to their bishops.

American Catholics are no different than anyone else.

"For the doctrine of faith which God has revealed has not been proposed, like a philosophical invention to be perfected by human ingenuity, but has been delivered as a divine deposit to the Spouse of Christ to be faithfully kept and infallibly declared. Hence that meaning of the sacred dogmas is perpetually to be retained which our Holy Mother, the Church, has once declared, nor is that meaning ever to be departed from under the pretense or pretext of a deeper comprehension of them." -Constitution de Fide Catholica, Chapter iv. (Vatican I, Quoted by Pope Leo XIII in Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae -1899)

"If anyone holds to one single one of these (heresies) he is not a Catholic." -- Pope Leo XIII (from Encyclical Satis Cognitum : 28)

One of those "heresies" (among scores) is the belief that the Catholic Church should not be the state religion "to the exclusion of all other forms of worship" (Pius IX - Syllabus of Errors).

And that is just the tip of the iceberg. There is no room here to list the vast number of beliefs pronounced to be "heresies" by pope after pope after council after council. The only difference today is the Pope no longer commands an army. Today he enforces the will of the Church by threatening the eternal state of American politicians.

These Papal warnings pose a grave threat to our Constitution and to the rule of law.

If you don't like it, you're not a Catholic (not my argument, but Leo's) and separated from the only vehicle of salvation on earth, outside of which there is no salvation.



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John Edwards' "god" Abhors Obesity But Approves Infanticide

"The Poor You Have with You Always"

When the Left decided that it needed to find "a god" again, they decided they needed to find one who was from the socialist, pro-abortion, anti-marriage wing of the heavens. Well, if one wants to create a deity in his own image, he is free to do so. I'd just prefer if they'd use a name that hasn't already been taken.

John Edwards (and Hillary before him) recently whined that "Jesus" would be aghast at how America treats its poor. Apparently this new "Jesus" isn't concerned with the slaughter of innocents, rampant immorality or the failure of most churches to preach about the saving grace of God. He is apparently concerned with the trans-fat used in fast food restaurants.

The biggest problem the "poor" in America have is obesity.

Americans are, by far, the most generous people on the planet (particularly conservative Americans).

I have no idea what America (or two Americas) John Edwards lives in. Apparently he lives in liberal America where people need to be told to help the poor because their only answer for helping the poor is to take OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, line their own pockets first, and then buy votes with the rest.

If you want to help and protect the most vulnerable among us, John, how about opposing sticking scissors in their heads as they exit the birth canal?

The poor will always be with us... but woe unto him who hurts the little ones (or approves of those who do).

Oh... did I mention that John Edwards is filthy rich?
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